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Opinions are flooding in regarding Jenny from Vancouver’s question in AMT303 regarding whether the Phantom of the Opera phornicates with Christine.
Simon says:
Phantom of the Opera makes it clear that the Phantom did not sleep with Christine. When in the lair at the end of the musical, Christine asks him outright if he is (finally) going to rape her.
“Have you gouged yourself at last in your lust for blood?
Am I now to be prey to your lust for flesh?”
The lady doth protest to much methinks.
He answers,
“This fate this requires me to wallow in blood,
Has also denied me the joys of the flesh.”
So they’ve never had sex, he’s a virgin, and he’s impotent.
The less said about Love Never Dies the better….
Too bad for you, Simon, that Calico has written about precisely that subject:
In Love Never Dies (it is exactly as shit as you would assume), the whole thing of Christine and the Phantom having sex actually takes place after the end of the first musical. This is the same in the novel the musical is based on (yes, it’s a book. A terrible fucking book by Fredrick Forsyth).
Music of the Night is just about singing, I’d say the rape connotations don’t really hold as the last song basically has the Phantom say he is a virgin (“This face that condemned me to wallow in blood, has also denied me the joys of the flesh.”).
It’s also obvious in the book he doesn’t rape her because Erik’s (the Phantom) end speech to the Daroga (the melted troll doll dropped him from the naff musical) has him state that Christine kissed him on the forehead and it’s his first kiss and the only true touch of intimacy he ever had.
Thanks, literary detectives. I’m relieved to discover that non-consensual sex probably did not take place. But I’m the opposite of relieved to discover you lot spend so much time thinking about the Phantom’s phallus.
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Tags: Andrew Lloyd Webber, Christine, Frederick Forsyth, Love Never Dies, musical theatre, musicals, Phantom, sex, The Phantom of the Opera, theatre, Tim Rice
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January 13, 2025 at 11:57 pm |
Regarding Love Never Dies, you need to keep in mind that there are two versions. If you haven’t seen the Australian one with Anna O’Byrne as Christine, then you’re only talking about the first draft. Cameron Mackintosh convinced ALW to re-write it after it initially flopped, and the re-written version is much better.
January 14, 2025 at 12:00 am |
And Ben Lewis as Phantom, btw .. sorry, had to look it up.
January 14, 2025 at 12:32 am |
Correction, it was Simon Phillips the Australian producer, not Cameron Mackintosh, who requested a complete rearrangement of the musical and story.
August 29, 2023 at 1:19 am |
Well, there’s a sequel “Love Never Dies”, where the Phantom and Christine reunited slept with each other once, and had a child, there seems to be a bit more to it than that, but that’s the basic premise. Haven’t seen that show, but from what I’ve read it seems kind of lackluster and the fact that he actually went back and got with Christine, even briefly, detracts from the impact of “The Phantom of the Opera”.